According to Wikipedia, revision of the 常用漢字 (Jōyō kanji) was first proposed . The jouyou kanji list is the sum of all the characters taught in. I already answered a similar question in another thread, so I will post it again here. The answer is quite long, however be sure to read through all of it, as it. Overview lists just contain the kanji without any additional information. The detailed Lists contain all the Information you need for studying and writing your own.
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Not only this it is most useful to foreign students and not to the Japanese because it is the Axe Radical. I think the indignation comes from how ridiculously bad the list is and the fact that it affects us all who are learning Japanese negatively to some degree. The jouyou kanji list is the sum of all the characters taught in elementary school and junior high.
The list is not a comprehensive list of all characters and readings in regular use; rather, it is intended as a literacy baseline for those who have completed compulsory education, as well as a list of permitted characters and readings for use in official government documents.
The NEW 常用漢字 and why we shouldn’t give a damn
I think the point was that a lot of kanji included in Joyo are there because of their frequency in names. Which grades get which new characters I wonder…. Right now jouyo at just below jouyou kanji, without this list id have utterly no idea as to how many i know, and for that i am grateful. I think that would be useful for creating most of a list, but it seems that some kanji might have been included for different reasons, regardless of their frequency. Too smart, in my book.
This page was last edited on 4 Decemberat I only ever considered the list a side aid, something i could look at to gauge my level and pick up a few new kanji here and there that seem useful. Nothing more, nothing less.
By the way, Mizuumi wrote up a Polish translation of this post here: No one ever set any limits on novels and magazines and other publications if I recall correctly except maybe encouraging them to use furigana for hard kanji.
I could care less what they do with the jouyou kanji list. I plug each one into my jjouyou and put the most useful terms into a vocab list.
The list burned me personally when I bought my first kanji dictionary. Here are lists list of kanji by frequency in both novels and in Wikipedia listings.
Every word that is kznji into obscurity just because it includes a kanji that is not on the jouyou list is a loss for the Japanese language. Retrieved 1 February Also If you know the stroke order for radicals you can ignore trying to learn jouyok for individual kanji a most of the time stroke order is defined in the radicals.
In my opinion, the worst problem with the list is that it fools innocent learners such as you and I into thinking we should use it somehow jouyuo our studies. Although I pretty much agree about its usefulness, you seem to have a lot of vitriol for something meant to be helpful. Another reason to ignore the list. Archived from the original on 3 March Some years later, as a side effect of reading, I now know a nice percentage of Jouyou kanji.
Jōyō Kanji by Grade – Memrise
I remember being discouraged and distracted by the joyo list as a student of Japanese. Clerical Regular Semi-cursive Cursive Flat brush.
Instead, I read, read, and just read while jouyoy up whatever kanji lies in the way. In Chinese, it is used for a lot of things. Discussion from pretty long ago. Imitation Song Ming Sans-serif. Kanji documents Japanese writing system. Vuredel I think the indignation comes from how ridiculously bad the list is and the fact that it affects jouyoi all who are learning Japanese negatively to some degree.
I think you do make some valid points. I did however read in some article that starting with this reform they will be revising kanji policies more often in reaction to the quick pace of change of kanji usage in the information age. Japanese writing Components Kanji.
That makes perfect sense, right?! Differences between Shinjitai and Simplified characters. So I stopped learning from it. I should make up some index cards and memorize them one by one.
I learned kanji iouyou, at least of them so far through the book by Henshall, which, yes, is based on the jouyou list. Knowing a single character is not going to get you anywhere. I realize the importance of context, of course, so I try to read and listen to real Japanese as much as possible.
If I understand correctly, only newspapers and government publications were told to try to avoid using words that kanij non-jouyou kanji.
In the past, I learned grade 1, then grade 2, then grade 3 Jouyou kanji. They should be doing it every year.